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[Photos] Homs: Despite arrival of Russian forces, convoy with displaced people from Quneitra is still blocked (6 hours now). Area NE. of Quseir (S. Homs) belongs to Hezbollah & allied pro-Iran militias (bombed several times by Israel past months). 3,391 ppl inside incl. 1,129 children.
I bet they're gutted England are out
We are. Some Croats were not terribly graceful in victory.
If you're a Croatian player and members of your family or some friends you know were killed by Serbs/Serbian militias, and you're aware that majority of Russians were usually pro-Serbia, would you be happy about it and be pro-Russia? I am not Croatian (or Albanian or Ukrainian or Bosnian). But I can easily see why a Croatian player and coach might not have nice things to say about Russia. Yes, politics should stay out of sports. I am tired of Iranian soccer players and their team being judged by their government that they didn't choose. But I wouldn't blame the average Syrian for saying negative things about Iran if the Syrian team was playing a World Cup in Iran and Iranian fans were there. It's expected. Players are human. I don't expect Russian players to say nice things about Ukraine either.
He has apologized twice already, for saying crap, otherwise whatever happy or unhappy he was or is he could get trampled a bit:
If you're a Serbian player and members of your family or some friends you know were killed by Croats/Bosnians/Kosovars/NATO militias...
There, start with that.
But I wouldn't blame the average Syrian for saying negative things about Iran if the Syrian team was playing a World Cup in Iran and Iranian fans were there.
A Syrian would not say that about Iran after Iran helped saving Syria from radical Islamic Terrorism.
Syria already played against Iran recently in the world cup qualifiers, there is great relationship, appreciation and friendship among the people.
Actually a lot of anti-Assad people (Sunnis in particular) would say that about Iran. Many Syrians love their football team but the anti-Assad Sunnis have mixed feelings about it in some cases. So do two of Syria's soccer stars Firas al-Khatib and Omar al-Soma. And so do some soccer stars who left the country. That's why I gave the example of Syria and Iran. I wasn't referring to Syrians who had your opinion but Syrians who were pro-rebel/pro-opposition/anti-Assad.
Are we talking about Vida? Yeah, that was a bit uncalled for given where he was, but he has many friends and family in Ukraine and showing respect to them is fine. I heard one of our coaches did some kind of solute and he was fired for it. I don't believe in politics of any kind in an international game, the Swiss players that made the Albanian Eagle are also wrong, same for Vida and the Coach, the only difference is Vida did mention support for Dinamo Kyiv which was a former club of his so it kind of gets grey.
Edit: If it is that case 2 out of an organization of 40+ coaches, players, and support staff seems like a very small minority especially since Croatia fired the coach involved and the player has apologized twice for his poor behavior in the win.
World cup fiever
The quality of the world cup has really fallen down recently
Wtf is this comment? You’re replying to a joke comment about some soldiers playing a casual game in Syria. Take your rant to /r/Football please
Honestly think Russia after this war is won is going to have a lot of good will capital in Syria for generations to come. They seem to genuinely be liked and seen as having played a positive role across vastly different swaths and sectors of society. Like the single party most seen as an honest broker across cross-section of the population. Even if you're in insurgent areas that are recaptured, they facilitate the flow of aid, help prevent anarchy like terrorist infiltration to looting and petty crime with the military police, and are working hand in glove with the government as an ally but also as a foreign actor with a different perspective, helping to try to get the government to give them peace with honor.
I don't believe Syria's had an ally that's more closely worked with the average people on the ground and their government since its inception as a modern state. Every other foreign force has sought to just take over, destabilize, or in some other way undermine their country rather than helping build it back up.
i agree i like the way Russia is handling things like this. Its nice when the people generally welcome you there even if your a foreigner
I don't think the people that were being cluster bombed hold the same opinion as you do.
I'm sure they don't but they also don't make up a majority of the Syrian population.
Another thing to consider: Palestinians in the West Bank often play football with the Israeli soldiers. Does this mean they like the Israeli soldiers or the reason why the Israeli soldiers are there?
Lol what, that has literally never happened.
Check this out: https://youtu.be/bDjDOmMMHsQ
I've also watched a video where IDF soldiers watched football games in a Palestinian home. Obviously if a soldier has a gun and a civilian doesn't, then it makes sense for a civilian to stay on the soldier's good side. This stuff becomes believable if the context is understood.
As its a conscript army a lot of young Israelis must have doubts about the way they are used to oppress a people.
The majority of the population has either fled the country or been internally displaced. That should be factored in. The ones who would be most against the Syrian government or Russian government have probably already fled. There's a sampling bias in that case.
"The majority of the population has either fled the country or been internally displaced."
Check the damn numbers. AFAIK no more than 1/3 become either IDP or refugee and not everyone fled because of government, so his point stands, methinks.
Literally the second sentence of Wikipedia's article on the matter:
In 2016, from an estimated pre-war population of 22 million, the United Nations (UN) identified 13.5 million Syrians requiring humanitarian assistance, of which more than 6 million are internally displaced within Syria, and around 5 million are refugees outside of Syria.
11 is 50% of 22.
So he's at least grazing the truth when saying it's the majority of the population. Though a significant chunk of these fled from rebel areas too, so displacement alone isn't really a reliable indicator of government popularity.
More than I recalled, honestly.
"Though a significant chunk of these fled from rebel areas too, so displacement alone isn't really a reliable indicator of government popularity."
There is no such indicator, I fear, only approximations.
German/Japanese civilians got bombed in the WW2 like hell. The US and british developed all kind of civilian killer, like specialized
firebomb to burn down cities with no hope to stop the fire. Or Napalm bomb, so that the liquid napalm can flow into the windows of the bunkers to burn the babies there.
After 1945, German, Japanese, US, GB are best friends.
Or Napalm bomb, so that the liquid napalm can flow into the windows of the bunkers to burn the babies there.
Yeah I'm sure napalm was developed for the purpose of burning babies./s
Hate between the countries civilians was still a thing deep into the 70's and sometimes even now.
well, liquid fire accelerator in bombs was developed for exactly that purpose. To flow into windows of bunkers. And if the bombing was targeted to destroy a city (Hamburg comes into mind), there was no other intention then
burn the houses of the civilians (what was a war crime at that time)
burn the civilians in the bunker (because this was not the front line, the killing of civilians, babies, woman, other non-soldier) (what was also a war crime at that time).
To primary kill civilians in a military attack, was a war crime according the The Hague treaty from 1905.
Btw, napalm was not the only liquid fire accelerator use in these bombing attacks.
You have a problem, to name GB/US war crimes in WW2?
This guarantees one generation of stability and goodwill among the pro-govt population that didn't flee the nation. Nothing can be predicted after that. And nothing can be assumed for the millions who fled.
More than one generation of stability for pro-govt population (reason being that they are pro-govt)
As for those that fled they ain't coming back (at least ones that would be against stability)
The raw and simple truth is that the people who stayed are infinitely more important for determining the future of the country, its trajectory and development, than the people who fled with no plans to return. How much do the Cuban exiles living in Florida in the U.S. determine day-to-day affairs in modern Cuba? They don't have any say. There are many millions more Syrians in Syria today living under government rule than fled abroad.
Even if you're in insurgent areas that are recaptured, they facilitate the flow of aid, help prevent anarchy like terrorist infiltration to looting and petty crime with the military police,
That's literally what the US did in Iraq, but sadly the entire country of Iraq was still in shambles politically. I wonder how syrian politics will be once the civil war is over.
account suspended... any backup links?
It becomes increasingly clear a large part of the revolutionary motivation in the region were US tax dollars. Well, good for them I suppose! Good thing also the government saw this and left the south more or less alone.
Acronyms, initialisms, abbreviations, contractions, and other phrases which expand to something larger, that I've seen in this thread:
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|FSA||[Opposition] Free Syrian Army|
|IDF||[External] Israeli Defense Forces|
|IDP||Internally Displaced Person(s)|
|SCW||Syrian Civil War|