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[Photos] Homs: Despite arrival of Russian forces, convoy with displaced people from Quneitra is still blocked (6 hours now). Area NE. of Quseir (S. Homs) belongs to Hezbollah & allied pro-Iran militias (bombed several times by Israel past months). 3,391 ppl inside incl. 1,129 children.
I'm I reading this correctly? The Russian OPCW representative claims that the US, UK and French cruise missile strike was aimed at the OPCW inspection team?
The Russian chief delegate added that, for some reasons, the report fails to mention the April 14 missile strike, carried out by a group of Western nations, which could also disrupt the OPCW mission’s work.
"Their missiles were about to hit the OPCW mission," Kalamanov said.
Perhaps that's badly translated.
And he goes on to say...
Representatives from the Russian Reconciliation Center for the Opposing Sides examined Douma on April 9 and found no trace of any use of chemical weapons there.
So there was no canisters, no chlorine, no attack or false flag release of chemicals.
Several hours before their arrival, the US, the UK and France had conducted a massive strike on Syria, having used reports of the incident as a pretext and without approval of the UN Security Council.
So the cruse missile attack happened before the OPCW FFM arrived. Seems a bit contradictory claiming the cruse missile attack was aimed at the OPCW inspection team.
Perhaps that's badly translated.
I found the original statement. It's indeed badly translated, and in the process was lost the sarcastic-hyperbolic tone of the statement. Basically he only says that the if not for the strikes, the mission could have started it's work earlier.
That's dumb because if I recall correctly the mission had already started before the time of the coalition strikes.
They said it could also disrupt which to me means could have made it more dangerous and put the mission at risk of closing down then relying on third parties to supply the evidence - it may or may not have but it sounds like a valid point.
The Russian inspection found the canisters and tested them - there were videos. I'd truly be surprised if there wasn't any chlorine present even though they said they could not find any evidence of CWs (possibly being disingenuous as chlorine is not a "banned" chemical).
They never said it was aimed at them. Conducting a large attack like that could have put the mission at risk.
They're not making claims based on a loophole, that chlorine isn't a banned chemical weapons, they specifically claimed no chlorine was found,...
Filatov said: “On 9 April, we had our team of military experts – experts in chemical, bio and this kind of thing – visited the site and they did not find any traces of chlorine or any other toxic agents. Not a single local resident was able to confirm a chemical attack had actually taken place.”
Those claims may have shifted later, but that was just to cause confusion.
Edit: It should also be pointed out that the Russian military police arrived in Douma in the morning of Monday April 9th, 2 days after the alleged chlorine attack.
They announcement that they found noting was first published on Interfax at 1.15pm.
Moscow and Syria are in the same time zone. So the inspection and publication of their results took 3-4 hours. This is obviously somewhat faster than the OPCW's inspection.
As I said, I'd be surprised if there were no traces of chlorine.
Here's the OPCWs preliminary report into the Douma incident, they found traces of chlorine in form of organochloride compounds, which indicates the former presence of chlorine gas.
which indicates the former presence of chlorine gas.
One of the two labs reported this...
And it was dichloroacetic acid and trichloroacetic acid...
Wanna bet on what it's used for?
Sub-products of chlorination of water.
No they are not. Tap water contains hypochlorous acid. DCA and TCA are unwanted carcinogenic contaminants found in some water supplies at tiny trace levels, just a few parts per million...
What evidence do you have that the water supply in Douma was contaminated with TCA and DCA?
IARC (1995) reported that chlorinated drinking-water in Japan contained 4.5 and 7.5 µg of dichloroacetic acid per litre and that a maximum concentration of 200 µg/litre was found for dichloroacetic acid in chlorinated water in Australia.
See: "Carcinogenic Activity of Dichloroacetic Acid and Trichloroacetic Acid in the Liver of Female B6C3F1 Mice"
I just made a mistake I wrote about TCA and DCA (who are present in less quantity in undeveloped countries) and I mean Chlorophenol, Dichlorophenol, 2,4,6-Trichlorophenol... Which are more often present in chlorinated water than TCA and DCA. Hypoclorous acid descomposes in derivated compounds (not the same every time). Many times the water have traces of phenols; and Chlorinated acetic acids are formed from organic material during water chlorination. It has been detected even in natural sources without chlorination (Look at a report of the WHO, 2004 about it).
The problem is we don't have the amounts of the compounds present in the samples. So, we don't know if it are traces or big amounts. We need to wait for the final report.
Same as you, I'm just theorizing without all the data.
Where did you derive this information from?
Those compounds are present usually in chlorinated water. Clothes, pillows and other tissues are washed often. Even the rebels put out the fires of the explosions with... water (Explaining the presence of the chlorinates and TNT in the debris). There were not chlorinates in the output valve of the bed's cylinder, even no chlorinates in the wall and floor of the room of the bed.
Those compounds are present usually in chlorinated water.
I really do not believe this is possible, that...
Extremely low levels of chlorine in tap water can create organochloride compounds. If that were the case, dilute chlorine in the tap water would bleach clothing and turn people's hair blond. Bleaching, by exposure to chlorine, is accomplished by creating organochlorides.
Also, did Douma have a chlorinated water supply when under siege?
There are aqueducts... So, it is possible. But, anyway... exist methods for local chlorination of water. They have some locals with chemical (maybe not to produce CWs, but to satisfy their local necessities). I just made a mistake I wrote about TCA and DCA (who are present in less quantity in undeveloped countries) and I mean Chlorophenol, Dichlorophenol, 2,4,6-Trichlorophenol... Which are more often present in chlorinated water than TCA and DCA. The problem is we haven't the amounts of the compounds present in the samples. So, we don't know if it are traces or big amounts. We need to wait for the final report.
Same as you I'm just theorizing about the whole stuff, without have all the data.
No, they are found at even lower levels in tap water, about 100-1000 times lower than DCA and TCA...
Chlorination increased the concentrations of 2-CP (maximum 65 ng/litre), 2,4-DCP (72 ng/litre), and 2,4,6-TCP (719 ng/litre).
A nanogram is one billionth of a gram.
As I said before we don't know the ranges of concentrations found in the samples or the limit of detection of the method used. Even in nano ranges...
Chlorophenols are present in drinking-water as a result of the chlorination of phenols, as by-products of the reaction of hypochlorite with phenolic acids, as biocides or as degradation products of phenoxy herbicides. Those most likely to occur in drinking- water as by-products of chlorination are 2-chlorophenol, 2,4-dichlorophenol and 2,4,6-trichlorophenol. (Find a report of WHO, 2003, about chlorite and chlorates in drinking water)
You're the third person I've seen say this, two IRL. Seeing multiple disinformation systems pushing the same bad science is striking.
It is not disinfo. Before the preliminar report, a lot of people said it was Sarin or/and Sarin+Chlorine. Other people said it wasn't, and you all dismissed their opinion as disinfo and bad science. This report dismissed Sarin preliminary. Irl don't exist white and black only. And a situation theoreticaly can have multiple explanations with the few data we have. When the final report come publicly, then we can explain better this whole subject.
Russian investigators said they found no traces of chemical weapons. I said I doubt there wasn't any chlorine.
Rebel and western claims of Sarin seem unfounded though as there was only traces of chlorine and no sign of nerve agents.
But they didn't find it on the canister so can't judge if the Russians outright lied (well, they might have removed chlorine traces from the cylinder somehow??). FFM found organochloride compounds on wood samples (some in a basement and one near the cylinder in question).
And organochloride compounds can mean a lot of things. "Work by the team to establish the significance of these results is on-going." This sounds as if it is not clear if it indeed resulted from weaponized chlorine.